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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:04:00 -
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I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here.
The original posting can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673
It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed.
Now for the proposal itself:
Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported.
What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job.
The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Imperial Shipment Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Lai Dai Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Freedom Extension Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
Support Tug-class Skill Bonus: +0.6 Warp Strength per level
Necessary Skills: Racial Freighter II - Advanced Spaceship Command I -- Spaceship Command V Racial Industrial V - Spaceship Command III -- Racial Frigate III -- Spaceship Command I
These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:49:00 -
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I only suggested it have mid and low slots due to the fact that it wouldn't just be utilized for mass movement in fleet operations. It would also be utilized for moving across long stretches of space, and if cut off from a fleet, it would at least be able to defend itself long enough for fleet support to arrive.
Two to three mid/low slots with no rig slots wouldn't be game-breaking for this type of ship.
And the purpose of it being Tier 2 is to round out the role a little more, and create more immersion.
With above listed slots, it wouldn't allow for a massive tank to be fit to it, or a large amount of EWAR to be fitted to it with the limitations to powergrid and CPU that would definitely be in place.
As for jump capable, I would go ahead and say no to that one. Unless a Tech 2 variant of said ship was eventually created. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:21:00 -
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I'm liking the positive feedback that this idea is getting, and would like to seek more support.
I would also hope to get the attention of the CSM and Devs with this one. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:08:00 -
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That was part of my original concept for it and I don't see why it shouldn't carry on to the proposal here. Not just the chaos Domu. Imagine the tears. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:23:00 -
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Because it is designed as a Tier 2 Freighter. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:15:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:D'Tell Annoh wrote:Why make 4 different racial versions of basically the same ship?
Just make it an ORE ship. There are multiple reason you would not have a single ORE ship:
- RP Reason: Of the non-empire factions the ORE is the least likely to be using one of these for hauling entire ships around - they already have a ship for that. This task would likely fall to the InterBus. InterBus maintains careful neutrality and would not be caught dead ferrying anything that could be considered militaristic (ie: warships). This is what makes Imperial Shipment, CBD Corporation, Transstellar Shipping, and Freedom Extension stay in business.
- Practical RP reason: An ORE variant of the ship would have the highest amount of HP in shields. Amarr and Gallente would make their own versions that would be more suited for being supported by Oneires. Guardians, Thanates, or Archons.
- Practical reason: Many pilots have already trained one racial Industrial to V for the use of blockade runners, deep space transports, or freighters. This ship is designed to be useful not only from the perspective of industrial pilots but also from the point of combat pilots that are changing base.
Thanks Domu, as usual, your helpful insight and input is always welcome. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:06:00 -
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Domu, you are correct in your line of thinking, in reference to it being a Tier 2 Freighter. So yes, it should be just above the price of the existing Freighters. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:01:00 -
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Hopefully I can pique the interest of all of the long-haul space truckers out there to get this proposal supported so maybe one day it could be found in game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:07:00 -
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Let's get some more support. Spread the word, and maybe we can get the CSM and Devs to take a look at it.
We want new shiny ships!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:26:00 -
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Well it is a proposal. A suggestion. So if it were adopted I'm sure the devs would balance it out. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:45:00 -
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I'm happy to see all the support this is getting. Hopefully we can get this thread some more attention. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:07:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:I'm drafting a full stat layout now. Should be able to provide more information by Sunday.
Well, anything you have I am more than willing to take into account (and add in the form of an edit to the original posting with the stats, etc) and of course, credit given where credit is due. Thanks for the help bro. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:33:00 -
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Come on everyone. Tell your friends. If you like this idea help gain it some support! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:56:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:Monolith ProposalMonolith is done. Took me longer than expected. Might want to take a break before doing the other 3.
Holy **** dude. You've outdone yourself, big time. This is absolutely ****ing epic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.22 07:00:00 -
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Thanks so much for all of the support on this idea. Let's keep it rolling and hope it gets some notice. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:18:00 -
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The stats for the Pelican, Bedouin and Pillar are still a work in progress. When they get done, I'm sure Domu will post them up. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:45:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:Domu is delayed due to stomach flu.
No bueno. Get well soon. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:21:00 -
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Giving this a bump for all the space truckers out there. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:41:00 -
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Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.27 03:26:00 -
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To all those who are in support of this idea, get more people involved. Bump for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:00:00 -
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Merritoff wrote:Just as a observation. When I read the title I thought this would be a suggestion for a small frigate sized vessel which logistic projection for agility for faster warp for freighters and similiar slow ships.
If I can be bold and suggest a name change to "Ferry Class". Like the large ocean going ships that get used to move automobiles.
Still, given you a like - excellent idea.
Actually, the name has been changed as far as class, and that is to "Envoy Class" "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:51:00 -
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The Envoy-class, if realized, would revolutionize the logistical side of warfare in New Eden. So let's get some more support for this thing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:04:00 -
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I appreciate all of the support this is garnering. Let's see if we can keep this thing going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:14:00 -
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Another bump in support of the space truckers who help with the logistics side of warfare. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:I generally like the principle. but if you are going to call the ship class a tug abandon the dedicated cargo hold suggestion. give them exclusive access to three capital class tractor beams and have all four vessels fly in formation.
the towed vessels should be (1) empty of pod pilots (2) have all modules offline so that if a pirate gang was to intercept they could board the vessels but would have a helluva time delay to get them started and a logistics problem to suss out about what to do with their original ship.
Since initial work it has been changed to Envoy-class. And the External towing of ships would be a mechanics nightmare. That, and it is just downright ridiculous. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:56:00 -
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Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.04 00:47:00 -
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The idea behind it is not just to have it and fly it just because you can. The idea is to save money and further immersion and flesh out ship roles a little more, and to add another aspect to the game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:54:00 -
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The backbone of any warfighting operation is timely logistical support. This would allow for additional vessels to be supplied to pilots in an expedient manner. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:40:00 -
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The amount of feedback (mostly positive, and very little negative) is astounding. Let's keep this idea moving in a forward direction.
If you must make negative feedback, at least propose something that would be helpful as a tweak.
But then again, there hasn't been much in the terms of feedback that has been hollow and negative.
Let's get some CSM and Dev input on this. Keep the ideas and support flowing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.07 06:28:00 -
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Zanban wrote:Still thank this is a great plan
And I refuse to let this one quietly fade into obscurity.
Let's get some support and input folks! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:03:00 -
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Bump for exposure to hopefully draw some more love for the space truckers.
We need new ships!!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:49:00 -
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Bump of the day to get more exposure/support for the idea! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.13 05:33:00 -
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Can we get some more love for this idea? I think we can.
Is there a Dev or CSM member in the house? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:15:00 -
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Bump for more support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:18:00 -
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Mu'ad Diib wrote:I think this is a really good idea although personally I'd like to see the tug being able to pull any ship that exists.
Either way, I've liked the post.
I know this is cheeky, but what the hell.
At the moment I'm standing for the CSM. I'd be very be happy to raise this idea if I get voted in. Obviously this is a big 'if'. The first stage of this is making the shortlist. At the moment I'm quite a few 'likes' short of the 100 that I need to get onto the ballot.
If you wanted to help me on my way with a 'like' for my election post, I'd really appreciate the support. Obviously if other support that you send my way would also be very gratefully received.
. Nice shameless plug.
Sorry mate, I already know what candidate I'm supporting.
And let's stay on topic please. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:49:00 -
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It will also create a new opportunity for Freight Corporations. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:51:00 -
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Kimbeau Surveryor wrote:How does this beast interact with courier contracts? Can you make a contract for moving a ship (or ships) which this hauler can fulfil, and if so, how is it clear which contracts can be done with this hauler?
I'm thinking that corps may well want to offer the service of moving missioneers from one agent to another, for example. Courier missions for other ships would be an interesting subject, as courier packages are a pain in the ****. But seeing as how a fitted ship would be in the courier container, I don't see why it wouldn't work out with courier contracts. But, if there was anything other than an assembled ship in the courier container, the ship would not be able to haul it. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.19 19:43:00 -
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Bump for more exposure and support.
I would like to see this idea taking on a role in New Eden. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:15:00 -
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Let's add more fuel to this fire. Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:18:00 -
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It is designed to be a Tier 2 Freighter, so that later down the line, a Tech 2 (jump-capable) version can be produced. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:08:00 -
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The only "combat" capability one of these ship classes would have would be purely defensive modules. Modules designed to break locks, and assist in escaping hostilities. And some base tank modules. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:55:00 -
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Another bump for the future of logistics in game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:11:00 -
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I know plenty of people that move frequently due to operations within their corporations. So, this would be exceptionally useful to them.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:14:00 -
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And... bump for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:41:00 -
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This would be a nice fill to a hole in the logistical aspects of warfare in New Eden. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.06 02:13:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Please remember that bumping threads are prohibited according forum rule #12.
Ehh, oops.
But as Menace said, I was just trying to keep this idea in the eyes of my peers to garner more support for something that would be extremely useful, and non-game breaking. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:29:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:As a hi-sec missioner, I'd love to see this. I change my base of operations from time to time, following contacts or for RP. It's a gigantic pain in my backside to jump each of my ships system to system from A to B, while also having to plan on bringing enough shuttles with the first transport so I can shell game my way back and forth until they're all moved. I already have a Mammoth for hauling goods to Rens for sale, and for shuttling my own cargo (with plans to upgrade to a Prowler for lo-sec runs). If I could have something analogous for my personal fleet, it would simplify things immensely, and let me get on with the business of blowing things up.
Excellent idea, I hope to see it shake out in the ship re-org. Why thank you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:47:00 -
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Another thing about this proposed vessel is that it will (unlike carriers) be able to operate in high security space, and won't require ships to be packaged. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:33:00 -
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There's this little thing called "progress." I know it scares most people. But advancements in technology (especially given the current setting of EVE), would allow for such breakthroughs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:26:00 -
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This is needed. Bring it to reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.09 03:45:00 -
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Show your support! Keep the dream alive until it becomes a reality! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:32:00 -
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Would be nice to get some Dev or CSM input on this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:03:00 -
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Teshania wrote:+1 Supported
I would say Min. Skill requirement though is Freighter III. Also if there was JF version of the Tug, It would Require Freighter V and Jump Freighter IV. Additionally Balanced with Fuel cost for jumping such a large Heavy Load!
But Seriously just the Freighter Variant itself is needed!
Thanks for the input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:26:00 -
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Michael Loney wrote:Great Idea! I too am moving my mission running around and the shuttle leap-frog back and forth is tedious to say the least.
Small improvement / suggestion?
Add a new option called 'secure for travel' , similar to repackaging but just secures the ship for travel in a Envoy-class ship hold. This would require a component to used like a framework for each class / size of ship. They would be simple T1 gear that can be made anywhere but would add some cost to the whole operation and would be sold and traded. Each Envoy-class would have a separate bay for holding collapsed frames. Even make them take damage per usage so you need to either keep stock or a blueprint handy to make more. Maybe a T2 variant with a password lock so you can secure a rigged ship, password it then contract it for travel but keep it password locked so the chance of theft goes down.
Options: - A frame locked ship cannot be entered with a pod so even if the ship pops out on destruction it cannot be boarded. This also opens the options for trading / swapping rigged ships in space. Still need a station / POS to get into it but can be dropped in space and unless someone has another Envoy-class they can't pick up the ships.
- A T2 frame locked ship will only reveal what class of ship is inside, no other details.
Just my 2 cents.
Excellent suggestions! Thank you so much. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:23:00 -
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Good input from everyone. If only we could get Dev input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:02:00 -
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Kattrina Incandenza wrote:I like this idea, either as an ORE ship or as a faction specific ships. Why ORE? Easier for our friends at CCP to make one ship than to have them make 4 or 5. I'm not abundantly concerned if the majority of people only trained one factional transport and there are plenty of other things of a non-military nature that ORE might have used this sort of technology to do... but really its more that I'd like to see this sooner than later, and sooner is 1-2 ships rather than a half a dozen.
+1
ORE wouldn't get involved in anything that could be remotely considered military operations (and transport of military vessels would fall into that category). And each factional group would select the group that is more involved in mass transit/transport to get things going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The future of actual logistics (as opposed to logistics ships) is just in need of getting in the hands of the developers. We're not just talking nullsec either, we're talking this could be easily used all through New Eden, especially if an eventual T2 jump capable version were to come out.
If I feel like it tomorrow, I may actually break out the pencil and paper, and sketch up some ideas for the model for at least one of the races. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Okay, so I'm going to be cleaning my garage instead as I just moved in an attempt to turn it into personal space so I have a nice place to game. So the sketches will be waiting a few days. But keep the suggestions rolling, and try to get this idea to CSM or Dev attention. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.04.26 15:52:00 -
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So yeah, my sketching of the proposed vessel hulls didn't exactly come along, but I will get to it. Until then, please keep the ideas and suggestions rolling in. I will also be cleaning up the original post with some of the detailed ideas that have been given. Thank you all for your support and input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Thanks for the support mate. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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But, as I said, ORE wouldn't be caught dead hauling anything that could even be mistaken as military equipment. It goes back to them being a quasi-neutral party. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Not a bad idea. I think I might do just that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still taking suggestions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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In light of all of the support and suggestions received on this proposal, I have taken the time to forward the link to this proposal, as well as a personal message to the CSM requesting that they take a look at it.
Thank you for all of your support, suggestions, bitches, gripes and complaints regarding this proposal. I will keep all supporters of this proposal posted as to any feedback I receive. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still accepting input and suggestions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Deckington Forgecaster wrote:Why haven't we got this yet?
I can only assume it has something to do with the carebears drowning out all good ideas with their incessant screaming, whining and crying that they should be absolutely safe from gankers in high sec, and Hulkageddon.
Short of that, I would assume it's because we haven't raised enough support for the idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:53:00 -
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Unfortunately the worthless carebears that want ISK just for the sake of having ISK, because there is no real purpose to them having it (as they'll never need to replace PvP ships), are the ones ****ing things up for the rest of us. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Why thank you.
It's refreshing to see more than the mindless sheep who continually spout off:
"It's called a carrier hurdur.."
"Get an Orca"
Considering both of those ships specialize for one thing or another, when this vessel in and of itself would be highly specialized for the job that it does. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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And just think of the ISK sink and market warfare. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Also, imagine the tears if it got ganked and a large majority of the ships dropped. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Anyone else have any suggestions?
Let's keep this thing going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:52:00 -
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Need more support for this venture. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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There are a plethora of reasons this should be implemented. So with that, let's get some more support and exposure to CSM/Devs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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This idea was spawned in November of last year, and was posted in Features and Ideas first, and after the overwhelming feedback and support it received there, I brought it to Assembly Hall in January of this year. Once again, it was met with overwhelming support and feedback. This idea came to me as an idea of something that would prove to be extremely useful to just about anyone on all fronts for actual logistical applications. It would revolutionize the transport of warships across space (high/low/null) and would create a new sub-career path for those interested in mass transit.
As a result of the massive response I have gotten to this idea, I was given the suggestion of forwarding this to the CSM.
I was met with a less than promising response at first, however, the member of the CSM who I spoke with then said that they would look it over, and upon looking it over said that this was indeed an interesting idea and that they would keep it handy.
I still haven't gotten a chance to sketch what my vision of how the Envoy-class Vessels would look, but that's due to real life constraints. But, given the chance, I'll get them done eventually, and will post links to where the pictures are hosted as soon as I get them done.
So thank you all for your support, and no, I am not giving up, and not letting this idea go quietly into the night. Keep the posts coming, and let's turn this thing into a threadnaught of epic proportions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's keep this idea fresh in the eyes of the masses. Everyone needs simplified logistical assets. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The initial sketch of the Bedouin-class is complete. Will post a link once I add more shading and get it scanned. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Well the issue is with those ships, is they can only be effectively utilized in low and nullsec. That leaves high sec shorted, but then again, you being a member of one of the nullsec blocs, I can't expect you to want anything to help high sec. I am putting forth this idea as something that will directly help everyone in New Eden, and not favor any one group.
Sure, in low sec and null sec, Supercarriers and Titans are effective.
But in high sec, the Orca is inadequate, as it is an Industrial Command Ship. It is not meant to haul ships around, and contracting involves having someone else accepting and then failing a contract, only to trade the item to you. A ship that could be utilized to actually haul these around rigged is ideal. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Alright, as promised (after finally getting the time to sit down and do it), I have generated a rough sketch of the first of the Envoy-class vessels. It is a very rough sketch utilizing a mechanical pencil, pen and a traffic crash template I use for work.
So, after an exceedingly long wait, I give you the rough sketch for the Bedouin-class Envoy, which is the Minmatar vessel. As the concept is a Tech 1, Tier 2 Freighter, it is based on the Fenrir-class Freighter.
The picture can be found here:
http://shdop.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=156521203 "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Can I get some input on this design? I plan on working the Monolith next, then the Pelican and finally the Pillar. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Thanks Angry. Like I said, next will be the Monolith when I get a chance to draw it. Hopefully I get a shot to do it sometime this week. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 17:24:00 -
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Well, here's a surprise for you. I finished the design for the Monolith last night, however, seem to be having some technical difficulties with my scanner. So as soon as I get that **** sorted out, I'll link it here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:25:00 -
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Still having tech difficulties with my scanner, so let's discuss the Bedouin for a bit "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The closed bays would make for easier design for the game versus having to put work in place for when this ship changes cargo. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still having tech difficulties with the scanner. Going to have to be patient. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:34:00 -
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With the issues my scanner is having, I'm going to just finish the other Envoys before I try to scan them. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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In the mean time can I get some suggestions or ideas? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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No, the bay wouldn't be accessible while in space. It is for one thing, and one thing only. Transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:56:00 -
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Thanks for the input and support! Still working on the rest of the design sketches. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:32:00 -
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Let's get some more support! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Does anyone have any suggestions that could make this idea even better? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Hey all, just to give you an update, due to work constraints, I haven't had a chance to finish the designs for the other three Envoys.
But as a sidenote, we have a couple of volunteers who have offered to flesh them out to 3D models. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Anyone else have any suggestions? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The mechanics and programming for something like that would turn out to be a pain in the ***. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Nice Dune reference. But I'm going to go ahead and stick with Envoys. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Come on folks. Let's keep it going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:45:00 -
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All good suggestions/criticism/input. Keep it coming. We need CSM or Dev support folks. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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One would think that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We need to keep this thing going so that the Devs know that we seriously want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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vyshnegradsky wrote:Couldn't you eve mail this thread to members of the CSM to try and raise awareness of it?
I have already done so, and only got one reply.
Now, on the other hand, if all of the supporters of this thread were to start EVE-mailing the CSM to show their support, that would be fantastic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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I sense a flashmob in EVE-mail format. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Well, in light of me going back and realizing the Bedouin-class rough sketch looked like ****, I decided to try to create one of these on Paint. What I came up with was a solid design for the Pelican-class (Caldari Envoy).
That vessel can be found here:
Located in the Prototypes album.
Pelican "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Thanks mate, appreciated. Hopefully we can get some more support rolling, and if we get more people to send this to the CSM, that would indeed be helpful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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CSM Contact information can be found here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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I think the best message to send would be something to the effect of the following:
To whom it may concern,
While on the Assembly Hall section of the forum, I came across an idea for a "Support Tug" or "Envoy" class vessel proposed by Jack Carrigan (link here), that I wish to show support for, as I would like to see it implemented in game, as it could revolutionize logistical applications for individuals, corporations, alliances, and would create great and many tears if ganked. This ship would be helpful to even the smallest corporation as it would allow for rigged vessels to be transported across long expanses of space.
Thank you for your time.
-insert name here- "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Okay, keeping in mind that the designs being posted here are very rough, as they are made with Paint, you can find the new design for the Bedouin-class Envoy here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Okay, it seems I'm on a bit of a roll with these. So, here is the Pillar-class Envoy.
The Monolith is going to take a while, because drawing curved objects with Paint is a tedious pain in the ****. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's keep this thing going, and keep in mind, so far, these are ROUGH ideas and concepts.
I am currently still working on the Monolith-class Envoy, and it has proved to be a bigger pain in the *** than I once thought it would be.
Tell YOUR CSM that you want a dedicated ship-hauler, and make this thing a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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fantazmythe wrote:hey long time no see jack!
i still very much support this idea GET IT DONE CCP! Good to see you're still showing support. Spread the idea as much as you can. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We just broke ten thousand views today. Keep the support rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We need more people to look at this, and support this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's get support for this!
Tell the CSM and CCP that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The more people we get supporting this, the better. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We need to get this idea more support. Furthermore, it needs more exposure to the CSM.
I've already messaged them, and only got one reply, which equated to "don't hold your breath."
Let's make OUR CSM take notice of what we as the player base want to see. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Could, but why should someone have to do that?
It just proves exectly how broken the logistical aspect of operating in New Eden really is.
There are so many vessel roles that could be filled, but aren't due to the fact that so much other **** is broken and taking away from development of new content. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Then show your support, and contact the CSM. Tell them you want this, and get all of your friends who might be interested to do the same. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Okay folks, keep the support going. Still working on the Monolith, but haven't had time due to a recent war dec. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:34:00 -
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And now that I'm finally done with the Monolith, I can do this.
For those who don't want to go back a few pages:
Monolith
Pelican
Bedouin
Pillar "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Now a thing to keep in mind, is these are very rough designs based off of the original freighter hulls, and were put together on MS Paint, so not exactly the best medium to work with. But all four of them are finally done, so discuss, and contact your CSM reps to let them know we want these. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Just think of the possibilities:
Open up another sub-career.
Revolutionize logistical applications for operations.
The waves of tears from the ship pilot when it is destroyed and ships pop out of the wreckage.
All in all, I think this is needed, and if you do too, contact your CSM. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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To keep this going, we're going to need continued support, and it needs to stay in the eyes of the players. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's keep this thing going! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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The need for this can be explained with the following bullet points: - New Ships create need for minerals to be harvested, thus giving Industrial pilots more options on ship builds - New Ships create new targets (particularly lucrative ones) for pirates - It is a nice ISK sink (purchasing BPOs from the NPC corporations) - It is a nice mineral sink (as it would technically be a capital ship much like freighters) - It would enhance the capabilities of ship production corporations to move vessels they have built - It would enhance actual logistical capabilities of corps engaged in numerous types of operations - It would allow for people to move their base of operations quite easily - It would make ship-hauling contracts much simpler - It would open up a new sub-career for haulers - It would allow for neutrals to move combat vessels for corps/alliances engaged in wars (for a steep price) - It would create many, many tears to be collected if destroyed and allow for the chance of a carried ship to be dropped in space "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's get some more support going! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still needs support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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For it to be capable of transporting the amount of cargo that 3-4 battleships would take up it needs to be. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Keep the support rolling! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Oh look, a bump in the road.
In all seriousness, this idea is still needed, as it will revolutionize warfare and transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Needs more support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Support, GO! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's keep the support for this idea flowing and hopefully get some attention from either CSM or CCP. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We still want/need this product. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Not letting this one go out quietly. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jaison Savrin wrote: I vote making it a "tier 2" freighter rather than a "tech 2" freighter since it is more of a re-purpose than a complete redesign.
Re-read first post in thread. It is a Tier 2.
Furthermore it leaves the option for a jump capable T2 variant.
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Need support for this to keep rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Thanks for the input and support. We need to expand on the variety of ships and roles. Hell, when WiS goes live, yachts may even have a role. Let's keep the ideas rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still need support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Free space likes and space cookies for support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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We need moar internet spaceships! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still want to see my dream become a reality! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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New years resolution. Make this happen. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Reiisha wrote:The tug should have a special module which allows for tractoring empty sub-capital ships in space.
Not a bad idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Indeed. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Roland Schlosser wrote:Support. If it must have a JD, give it the worst JD possible.... outrageous fuel cost Fair enough, even though only the T2 variant (eventual) would be jump capable. Was thinking fuel cost on par with a JF plus some. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Tell the CSM and CCP that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Still want this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:So basically... a carrier that instead of launching AI controlled fighters it launches player ships? I like it!
It doesn't launch player ships. It can transport them. It will be incapable of launching ships in space. The only way it will be able to interact with ships in space is with a POS Ship Maintenance Array (so that it can't be utilized like an Orca).
And to answer the question about rigs, when it comes to certain vessels, rigs can be pricey (especially if you're talking large rigs, or T2 rigs). The point of this is to facilitate improved logistics, and to plug a hole for transport purposes. Sure, using an alt to transport utilizing courier contracts is all fine and dandy, but not everyone has the money to have more than one account, or has the time to train a second account while they take care of RL stuff, or their main accounts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Come on guys, keep with the support and maybe people will listen! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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-insert shameless plug here-
Seriously, just think of the tears if one of these with 3 Bhaalgorns in it exploded. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The whole reason I even bothered to train an Orca in the first place was to move my own ships around without having to constantly buy new rigs. Part of the reason I stopped flying battleships is because they wouldn't fit into an Orca.
Furthermore, it seems that in the deep dark reaches of Null there are logistics corporations whose sole function is to supply their respective alliances/coalitions with fully-fitted, doctrine-complaint, ready-to-go ships brought to wherever the front lines are. Something like this, perhaps, might be beneficial to those efforts.
Anyway, a ship like this is very relevant to my interests and so I'll definitely give it a +1.
Thank you for your support, and I hope to see this as a reality. This would not just change things for null alliances, it would change the face of true logistics in New Eden. And anyone that knows me knows that I will not let this idea go away quietly into the night. I am going to avidly push for the development of such a vessel until either it becomes a reality, or CCP tells me to shut the **** up.
With that in mind, let's keep pushing to expand our sandbox into something even greater than it already is. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Who wants more stuff to fly and/or blow up? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Reuben Johnson wrote:I ike the idea. One extra suggestion, instead of maing 4 factional version make one faction version available throguh Interbus. All the best mining ships come from ORE, Why arent their any specialty ships from Interbus? Because The Interbus would absolutely NOT be involved with something utilized for warfare purposes (neither would ORE for that matter) even in a logistical sense asthey aim to maintain their neutrality so they can continue to do business with all four empires. That is the primary reasoning behind the four racial faction variations. Each race would develop one, and the others would step up to create competition. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Keep the support rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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I wish they would look at this thread. I hope that somehow we can get their attention and as a community say "we need this." I will rejustify the need for it, and re-link the concept art that I came up with which can either be used as a basis of the design, or can be discarded for original models.
First, the benefits: - Would revolutionize true logistics in the sense it would allow the mass movement of rigged vessels (up to 3-4 fitted/rigged battleships) across large expanses of space without the need for courier contracts. - It would create a new career path (ship transport for war decced corporations). - It would create a new means of heisting from corporate hangars (should rigged ships be included in the hangars). - It would create a much-needed ISK sink. - It would create a mineral sink (and thus make mineral prices stabilize) - It would create competition for acquisition of blueprints and production of these vessels.
Designs: Monolith Bedouin Pillar Pelican
Keep in mind, these are extremely rough designs accomplished with MS Paint. Stats are on the design pictures. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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All good suggestions. It would give CCP something to work with rather than having to build something from scratch. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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If we could get the CSM or CCP to take a look at this, it'd be great. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Well, here's the thing. Currently, the only way to fit assembled/rigged ships into a Freighter is Courier contracts, which requires either someone you trust, or an alt. It is a colossal pain in the ass for logistical purposes.
This ship will streamline the process. And an eventual Tech 2 variant would be jump capable but have a ship transport bay. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jalxan wrote:I'd still like to see this happen. :) It would dramatically change material logistics in this game.
Indeed it would, and as anyone with any semblance of a military background would know, material logistics is one of the single most important things in warfare. No supply/logistics, and you're pretty much ****ed. It would even help out the big names, like the Frogs, who would be able to open a new division dedicated to ship transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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KEEP IT ALIVE!
ENVOY-CLASS VESSELS MUST LIVE! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Thanks for the support mate. Let's keep this going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Let's get more support for this rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."http://jackcarrigan.wordpress.com |
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Won't happen again. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"http://jackcarrigan.wordpress.com |
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Okay, I've been thinking about something I could add to this without it looking like a hollow bump, as ISD was kind enough to advise me that I was borderline breaking rules. So with that, I have come to a decision regarding the Envoy-class ships.
If they were designed, there would be absolutely no need for a jump-capable version, as Carriers fill that role nicely, but when it comes to high-sec logistics, there is still a gap.
Sure, there's always the courier contract, but why the **** should you have to go through that (which when you're moving enough stuff, gets extremely tedious) to move your own stuff? The answer, quite simply, is that you shouldn't. There is no justifiable reason for it, and to the "get an Orca" camp, let's see you attempt to move all of your rigged battleships in an Orca. Some people multi-spec in their training, and thus have several different ship types, and other than the Orca not having the ship maintenance bay to haul battleships, you are also severely limited as to how many ships you can fit into it.
So with that, I am not saying that we as pilots of New Eden want, or desire this.
I am saying we, the pilots of New Eden NEED this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thank you both for your support. If you would please pass this idea along to others that you know so we can keep the support coming. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thanks for the +1 and comment.
My goal isn't to diminish the vastness of New Eden. Just make transporting things across said vastness a little more... "user friendly." "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Anyone have any ideas on how to improve this? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Some feedback from CCP would be nice. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Mike Azariah wrote:Keep it bumped. I do like this idea as I have been an incursion gypsy in the past.
Fitted or not it is hard to move HQ level tools 30 jumps with any efficiency
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Thanks for the Support mate "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Cruell Nightmare wrote:I love this Idea, I would like too see them with pretty highly skill reqs though. We dont need them everywhere.
I can live with that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well, this idea was original posted in F&I, and with the responses and support it received there, I felt it best to bring it here to attempt to bring it into the eyes of the CSM or CCP. So far, we've had a reply from one member of the CSM in support of it, and as long as it continues to garner support, I plan on keeping the idea alive. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Whatever motives you have, even ulterior, this ship would be exceptionally useful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's make this crazy idea a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well, it made it to the list of reasonable things to be voted upon, but did not make it to the final vote. So, we shall keep this alive until the next time something like that comes up!
I thank all of you for the overwhelming support of a simple idea that could make our lives so much easier. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thanks for the support mate. It's appreciated.
Rally all the denizens of New Eden you can. This idea must not be allowed to silently pass into the night. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I definitely would like to see something like this (even if not this exact idea) come to be. The expansion to the industry/hauler game would be game-changing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I appreciate all of the support that this idea has been receiving, and the CSM did take notice. While that is good, we are going to need far more support to get this implemented. Keep fighting the good fight. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Just think of the practical applications.
And the possibility of another new "career" path.
"Arms Smuggling" "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I was recently speaking with a few friends, and they were telling me how much of a pain in the ass it was to move all of their stuff to another hub since their corporation relocated again. I directed them here.
Help drum up support so we can make this useful logistical tool a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thank you for the support. Let's keep this spreading "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I think this needs more exposure. We could definitely use something like this "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Just imagine all of the delicious tears if one of these got blapped and dropped someone's faction battleship. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Endovior wrote:This has been a good idea for a while, but it's more feasible now that we have wrecks that you can eject ships from. With that groundwork in place, this is something that could happen at any time; the most time-consuming bit would be the art. Shame there doesn't seem to be much support for the idea.
I concur. We need to garner more support. Sure, we managed to get one member of the CSM to take note, but why stop there?
Gather your friends people, because this is something that New Eden needs! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Can we just have it already? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I'd like to see these if nothing more than for a loot pinata and tear factory. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Richard Bashir wrote:I was trying to find a Monolith on the market (I even checked Jita 4-4), so started searching on the forums, and came across this... What is taking CCP so long...?
+1
You know, that is what I have been wondering since the day I came up with this idea. So, what I would suggest is start snagging people to support this, make contact with your CSM reps, and try to garner more support.
There's only so much I can personally do mate. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thank you. I am going to have to try to find more people to help promote this. Get your corporations and Alliances involved! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Why thank you good sir. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well, if we can actually garner support, and stop getting the constant shitposting of "ABLOO-BLOO-BLOO NERF CLOAKING ABLOO-BLOO-BLOO" maybe CCP would pay more attention to the forums. Especially if players put forth their ideas in a constructive manner which would reduce the number of questions that could be asked because it was presented in a well-thought out manner. The idea is to show that you did some form of research, and are willing to put forth some form of effort to actually constructively design something USEFUL rather than something that will unbalance or completely break an already functional mechanic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Mike Azariah wrote:Just to let you know, I am still firmly on board with this. still trying to work it into conversations with ccp
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I appreciate it. I understand if stats have to be altered, et cetera, but just keep me posted on what you can.
As for everyone else, see if we can get some proliferation of this idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's keep it going guys! Show that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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We can has? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Like but no bonus for defensive capabilities.
And why not? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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With all of the new things being added to the game, this would be an amazing help to those just getting started, or who wanted to be suppliers for war torn corporations by moving ships for them. We need this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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CCP is constantly speaking of player-driven content. Well, I say a prime opportunity for more of this is to let players come up with well thought out, well researched ship ideas, and submit them directly to CCP through some channels (either through CSM, or create some form of means of sending in a design package (with basic design ideas) to CCP for approval (even if they have to tweak it)). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's get some more support rolling for this idea. It is something that will benefit EVERY SINGLE EVE PLAYER in some way or another.
Miners sell the minerals to industrialists to build them. Industrialists sell the ones they build. Haulers make money using them. And pirates get to gank them! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote:Matokin Lemant wrote:
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me
Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty.
Someone didn't think that thought through, considering the Crow especially, which runs at damned near 5km/s. Would take about 20 seconds to get there, which means.... you'd be screwed, especially since the most favored Crow fits favor a long point, which runs about a 24km range. So with that in mind, in about 15 seconds, you'd be pointed and would stand no chance of escaping, even with maxed navigation skills.
Jump capable, maybe, in a T2 variant later down the road.
But first, it would be nice to get a standard variant so that people could just haul their fitted/rigged ships with some form of defensive capability (tank and/or EWAR). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep the support train rolling. We've gotten the CSM's attention. Let everyone you know that WE WANT THIS!!!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep pushing for this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I think you completely missed the point. As stated, this won't be able to launch in space, and furthermore is helping round out industry to better balance with their combat counterparts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I'll definitely put some thought into it, and appreciate both the support and input. Just off the cuff I would say that attacking one could extend aggro to either the corporation of the pilot or the owners of the cargo.Mike Azariah wrote:I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata
Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.
But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.
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Anyone else have any suggestions on aggro? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Some input on aggro mechanics would be helpful. Lets keep the ideas coming in. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well, the reason I proposed a new ship was to help round out the industrial/support side of EVE. I figured this could create some intrigue, and have potential for tears to be spilled by pirates. All in all, everyone would win.Rikanin wrote:I've been wanting something like this for years. I'd have settled for a rig slot on the current freighters where 1 rig makes it a ship carrier and the other rig makes it a normal freighter but a whole new ship would be cool too.
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The support tug was simply the first name that came to mind while myself and a few friends were spitballing ideas. The official class name that we decided to stick with after the fact was "Envoy." "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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This thing still needs support and input. Invite your corpmates, alliance mates and friends to check this out and make their input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Does anyone have anything that they would like to input? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Even if this were to be reduced to a single faction ship, give it the appearance of a skeletal structure with ship transport bays within the structure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I'd love to see this come to fruition so that everyone can have something else to fly or shoot at. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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We need moar ships! BECAUSE MOAR! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:this, I want this! :)
Well start garnering more support! TELL EVERYONE! MOAR SHIPS!!!!!!
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Yes they would on a percentage base. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I am floored by the amount of support this idea I came up with while drinking has received. And Mike, that is why I voted for you, you listen and actively engage the community while lending support to new or innovative ideas. Thanks for the support everyone. Keep it up and don't stop until we have this or something like this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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We can has? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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This definitely would be beneficial to incursion runners as well as anyone who produces ships or transports as a neutral for war plagued corporations. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:This definitely would be beneficial to incursion runners Not having to jump 30+ systems to get your logi because your battleship isn't needed..... *swoons*
Because you could carry both! And a mission runner and PvP frig for shenanigans. The possibilities are one of the things that make me keep pushing this. Also, for the pirate types, imagine the tears of popping one and it dropping a fully fit faction BS or Marauder. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Why thank you! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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This here little idea could be a boon to incursion runners, manufacturers, neutral haulers and the pirates that kill the above. Keep the support rolling to keep it at the top and in view of all. We need more player created content, and this could pave the way for more. Thanks to present supporters, and let's get this idea spread like wildfire! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Come on guys. Having people read isn't enough. Get them to add their opinions and other comments. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Eldwinn wrote:+1 on this. I agree. However I am curious for the cost on one of these ships. As there are mechanics in game to go around this already from courier contracts.
I would say a happy medium between an orca and a freighter, maybe slightly hire to account for material costs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep the support/questions/comments/suggestions coming! It is clear that we have the attention of the CSM, so let's get more of the community's eyes on this and get CCP to know we as the players want and need this!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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MOAR POSTS! MOAR LIKES! DO THIS FOR MOAR SHIPS!!!!!!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Oh really now? I know a buddy of mine spun it to a couple of other CSM members and announced his bid to run for CSM 10. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep the support and suggestions coming! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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SoE would not directly get involved with the production of a vessel which would be utilized to transport war ships. They are one of those entities that likes to maintain their neutrality. As for CONCORD, they have had bad experiences with capsuleers, and would not want to run the risk of allowing movement of war ships en masse in a transport ship.
Personally, I believe they would be best suited to be produced by each racial faction as each race would seek to have a vessel better suited to hauling their unique ship designs and shapes. And they would most likely run with a corporation that has an industrial background that could benefit from building things for military application. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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To save some work they could even utilize modified freighter hull models as a starting point and then tweak them to make them unique. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Also a good suggestion. Secondary product could be jump-capable variants. Or make a modular exploration platform ship which could effectively serve as a mobile command post which could improve life for wormhole dwellers or dedicated explorers. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's keep the support train rolling. We need this to be added. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Hi everybody. Just hoping to see more people express their opinion on this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Moar ships! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I still want to see this for the community. Think of the uses and tears. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well Mike, in the first few pages I made suggestions as to builders and bonuses. As for my suggestions on looks, the art department would be better suited to make that call. I'm glad people are liking the idea, and hopefully we can get this thing made for everyone, even if tweaks have to be made. So long as it helps the community as a whole. I'm not glory seeking but at the same time, hopefully I'd get at least some credit for it. Haha. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Hahaha! Don't really care about the name. A headnod would be nice though. I'm just glad this is still going in a positive direction. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's keep it going. Need more support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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However, if using the Rorqual model, one would presume an ORE manufactured ship. And as previously stated, ORE would not directly involve themselves in building ships that would overtly be used to transport war ships. It would ruin their neutrality, and likely cause other factions to target them for facilitating this.
And who said this would just be high sec? Because a later incarnation could be jump capable to facilitate transit from high to low/null in a more expedient and efficient manner. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Let's get some more support for this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep the support flowing and fingers crossed. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Does anyone have any new input today? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Why thank you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep the dream afloat folks. Need this to stay toward the top for all to see. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thank ya kindly. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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500+ likes that say we need this. Let's break 1000. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Also consider people doing gun running for people who are slammed by war decs. Incursions. People running missions in different areas, et cetera. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Also, loot pinata. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Glad to see another person in favor. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Not a bad suggestion! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Indeed, and very relevant. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Logistics has been an issue. Well this could help. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Keep it going guys.
With the jump drive needs, could be useful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Well hopefully this can be made a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Why thank you. Id like to see that too, but one step at a time. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Hopefully across the cluster in new ships. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thanks Mike. And I have a feeling that you may be right. Ive got my fingers crossed on this one still, and I'm still working out the idea for my next proposal but it'll hit F&I before it shows up here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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I would like to thank everyone who helped me come up with this, everyone who posted and liked, and Mike Azariah for keeping his campaign promise of speaking for the community.
Surprise covers it well. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Thanks! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Take a bow. Couldn't have done it without the support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Steve Ronuken wrote:I'm just waiting for the loss of a Tug filled with shiny fit Incursion battleships (rather than the sensible option of unfitting the modules, and just moving the rigged ships, before moving the modules seperately) Well, that is a risk that will likely be taken. I want to score a killmail like that.
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Thanks all. Only one more question remains.
I can has?
I'm just floored that this got through, and hopefully it means we can get more good ideas through the maze of "Nerf incursions" "the AFK cloakies scare me" and "eff carebears" threads.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
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Thanks ed. And now we wait for it to be released in all its glory.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
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Bam Stroker wrote:Don't stop believin'! Dude, we are getting it! Was announced at EVE Vegas.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
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